[ zitrajzma @ 04.01.2009. 23:55 ] @
Citao sam ovde slichne teme,ali nigde nisam nashao resenje za ovaj problem..

Kada ne radim nista,cpu usage mi "skakuce" 10% 30% 2% 50%...kada upalim bilo koji program..msn,mozzilu..cpu usage mi skache na 100% i nakon par minuta komp mi se zamrzne...u task menageru mi prikazuje da mi ta aplikacija koju koristim trenutno uzima 99 %,kad smanjim priority on samo prebaci taj procenat na neku drugu nebitnu aplikaciju......sa spybotom krenem da skeniram komp i naravno spybot uzme 100% procesora i zabaguje...isto i u safe modu.. koristim nod antivirus, zone alarm firewall...citao sam nesto po forumima i probao sa registry booster i speed up my pc programima,ali bez uspeha..bilo kakav savet kako da popravim ovo,bez reinstalacije windowsa?


winxp sp2
cpu pentium 4 2,0 ghz
1,25 gb ddr1 ram
[ magna86 @ 05.01.2009. 04:50 ] @
pa...problem moze da uzrokuje ili neki virus ili neki hardware crkava
najverovatnije je ono prvo,no da ne lupamo glavom...

Skini HiJackThis program:


Stavi ga u zaseban Folder na Desktop
Promeni naziv Foldera u ES2 i Programa u ES2.exe

* Pokreni HijackThis
* Izaberi opciju "Do a system scan and save the logfile"
* Na kraju skeniranja program ce izbaciti tekstualni log.
* taj log kopiraj ovde ( opcije copy / paste)





[Ovu poruku je menjao magna86 dana 05.01.2009. u 06:01 GMT+1]
[ zitrajzma @ 05.01.2009. 06:10 ] @
Logfile of Trend Micro HijackThis v2.0.2
Scan saved at 07:08, on 05.01.09
Platform: Windows XP SP2 (WinNT 5.01.2600)
MSIE: Internet Explorer v6.00 SP2 (6.00.2900.2180)
Boot mode: Normal

Running processes:
C:\WINDOWS\System32\smss.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\winlogon.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\services.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\lsass.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\svchost.exe
C:\WINDOWS\System32\svchost.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\ZoneLabs\vsmon.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\spoolsv.exe
C:\WINDOWS\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v2.0.50727\mscorsvw.exe
C:\Program Files\Java\jre6\bin\jqs.exe
C:\Program Files\Eset\nod32krn.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvsvc32.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\CNAB4RPK.EXE
C:\Program Files\Zone Labs\ZoneAlarm\zlclient.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\ctfmon.exe
C:\PROGRA~1\ZONELA~1\ZONEAL~1\MAILFR~1\mantispm.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\wuauclt.exe
C:\Program Files\Windows Live\Messenger\usnsvc.exe
C:\WINDOWS\explorer.exe
C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\firefox.exe
C:\Documents and Settings\Nebojsa\Desktop\ES2\ES2.exe

R0 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Local Page =
R0 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Local Page =
R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Internet Settings,ProxyServer = localhost:8080
O2 - BHO: Adobe PDF Reader Link Helper - {06849E9F-C8D7-4D59-B87D-784B7D6BE0B3} - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Adobe\Acrobat\ActiveX\AcroIEHelper.dll
O2 - BHO: Spybot-S&D IE Protection - {53707962-6F74-2D53-2644-206D7942484F} - C:\Program Files\Spybot - Search & Destroy\SDHelper.dll
O2 - BHO: Java(tm) Plug-In SSV Helper - {761497BB-D6F0-462C-B6EB-D4DAF1D92D43} - C:\Program Files\Java\jre6\bin\ssv.dll
O2 - BHO: (no name) - {7E853D72-626A-48EC-A868-BA8D5E23E045} - (no file)
O2 - BHO: Windows Live Sign-in Helper - {9030D464-4C02-4ABF-8ECC-5164760863C6} - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Windows Live\WindowsLiveLogin.dll
O2 - BHO: Windows Live Toolbar Helper - {BDBD1DAD-C946-4A17-ADC1-64B5B4FF55D0} - C:\Program Files\Windows Live Toolbar\msntb.dll
O2 - BHO: Java(tm) Plug-In 2 SSV Helper - {DBC80044-A445-435b-BC74-9C25C1C588A9} - C:\Program Files\Java\jre6\bin\jp2ssv.dll
O2 - BHO: JQSIEStartDetectorImpl - {E7E6F031-17CE-4C07-BC86-EABFE594F69C} - C:\Program Files\Java\jre6\lib\deploy\jqs\ie\jqs_plugin.dll
O2 - BHO: ZoneAlarm Spy Blocker BHO - {F0D4B231-DA4B-4daf-81E4-DFEE4931A4AA} - C:\Program Files\ZoneAlarmSB\bar\1.bin\SPYBLOCK.DLL
O3 - Toolbar: ZoneAlarm Spy Blocker - {F0D4B239-DA4B-4daf-81E4-DFEE4931A4AA} - C:\Program Files\ZoneAlarmSB\bar\1.bin\SPYBLOCK.DLL
O3 - Toolbar: Windows Live Toolbar - {BDAD1DAD-C946-4A17-ADC1-64B5B4FF55D0} - C:\Program Files\Windows Live Toolbar\msntb.dll
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [ZoneAlarm Client] "C:\Program Files\Zone Labs\ZoneAlarm\zlclient.exe"
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [nod32kui] "C:\Program Files\Eset\nod32kui.exe" /WAITSERVICE
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [nwiz] nwiz.exe /install
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [NeroFilterCheck] C:\WINDOWS\system32\NeroCheck.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [NvCplDaemon] RUNDLL32.EXE C:\WINDOWS\system32\NvCpl.dll,NvStartup
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [SpeedUpMyPC] C:\Program Files\LIUtilities\SpeedUpMyPC\SpeedUpMyPC.exe traybar
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [MsnMsgr] "C:\Program Files\Windows Live\Messenger\MsnMsgr.Exe" /background
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [MSMSGS] "C:\Program Files\Messenger\msmsgs.exe" /background
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [ctfmon.exe] C:\WINDOWS\system32\ctfmon.exe
O4 - Global Startup: Microsoft Office.lnk = C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\Office10\OSA.EXE
O8 - Extra context menu item: &Windows Live Search - res://C:\Program Files\Windows Live Toolbar\msntb.dll/search.htm
O8 - Extra context menu item: Add to Windows &Live Favorites - http://favorites.live.com/quickadd.aspx
O8 - Extra context menu item: E&xport to Microsoft Excel - res://C:\PROGRA~1\MICROS~3\Office10\EXCEL.EXE/3000
O9 - Extra button: (no name) - {DFB852A3-47F8-48C4-A200-58CAB36FD2A2} - C:\Program Files\Spybot - Search & Destroy\SDHelper.dll
O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: Spybot - Search && Destroy Configuration - {DFB852A3-47F8-48C4-A200-58CAB36FD2A2} - C:\Program Files\Spybot - Search & Destroy\SDHelper.dll
O9 - Extra button: Messenger - {FB5F1910-F110-11d2-BB9E-00C04F795683} - C:\Program Files\Messenger\msmsgs.exe
O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: Windows Messenger - {FB5F1910-F110-11d2-BB9E-00C04F795683} - C:\Program Files\Messenger\msmsgs.exe
O17 - HKLM\System\CCS\Services\Tcpip\..\{D99D3E0C-4D1B-45F2-A51A-C0CF7DAF0799}: NameServer = 212.200.13.13
O18 - Protocol: skype4com - {FFC8B962-9B40-4DFF-9458-1830C7DD7F5D} - C:\PROGRA~1\COMMON~1\Skype\SKYPE4~1.DLL
O23 - Service: Java Quick Starter (JavaQuickStarterService) - Sun Microsystems, Inc. - C:\Program Files\Java\jre6\bin\jqs.exe
O23 - Service: NOD32 Kernel Service (NOD32krn) - Eset - C:\Program Files\Eset\nod32krn.exe
O23 - Service: NVIDIA Display Driver Service (NVSvc) - NVIDIA Corporation - C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvsvc32.exe
O23 - Service: Remote Packet Capture Protocol v.0 (experimental) (rpcapd) - CACE Technologies - C:\Program Files\WinPcap\rpcapd.exe
O23 - Service: TrueVector Internet Monitor (vsmon) - Zone Labs, LLC - C:\WINDOWS\system32\ZoneLabs\vsmon.exe

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End of file - 5193 bytes

shta sve ne valja :) ?
[ magna86 @ 06.01.2009. 06:36 ] @
Citat:
zitrajzma: Logfile of Trend Micro HijackThis v2.0.2
shta sve ne valja :) ?


sve valja :)
...hm...

znas ... da neki virus pravi problem su jako male sance,tu opciju iskljuci

ja bi prvo za pocetak proverio temperature CPU-a u biosu

.Desni klik na My computer->properties->advanced->pod StartUp and Recovery klikni Settings i iskljuci opciju Automatically restart
mozda pomogne


e da...pitanje:
zone alarm je firewall
a eset nod32 ? ima li on u sebi svoj firewall?
jel to Nod Anti Virus ili Smart Security ?
hocu reci da ako imas dva firewall-a mozda to pravi problem
[ boxxter @ 06.01.2009. 07:00 ] @
Probaj da iskljucis help service ako je akrivan.Oce da zeza tako.
[ zitrajzma @ 06.01.2009. 14:12 ] @
temperatura procesora mi je oko 70-78 najvishe a po defaultu mi je iskljucena opcija da me obavesti,imam tamo opcije iznad 60,70,80 i 90 stepeni...kolika bi trebalo da bude normalna temp procesora? sad je krenuo da mi se restartuje komp iz cista mira u poslednje vreme...izgleda da je neki hardver,samo da nije procesor?

p.s. zone alarm firewall,nod antivirus..
iskljucio sam help service,ne pomaze..
[ zitrajzma @ 06.01.2009. 19:20 ] @
pazite sad, kad sam iskljucio Automatically restart komp mi se ne restrartuje vishe sam,vec se gasi sam i kad hocu ponovo da ga upalim,on ne reaguje 5-10 min,nema struje u njemu (mada svetli lampica na tastaturi) a nakon 10 min ga upalim normalno..sta mislite sta je ,napajanje,ploca,nesto trece? :/
[ kristi1 @ 06.01.2009. 19:44 ] @
Najlakse ti je da proveris prvo napajanje, uzmi od nekog druga pa proveri, nisam neki expert za hardver ali ja bih prvo to proverio.
[ magna86 @ 07.01.2009. 06:33 ] @
neverujem da je ploca...jer kao sto kazes tastatura svetli
a na taj nacin mozes proveriti jel do processora,a u tvom slucaju nije
kristi lepo kaze..probaj pa vidi
mozda polako odumire...
[ zitrajzma @ 08.01.2009. 01:30 ] @
ma prso je skroz,al jebiga,bilo mu je i vreme,imam ga 7 godina,a nikad nista nisam menjao :) u svakom sluchaju,hvala na pomoci,ljudi...
[ New Village DC @ 08.01.2009. 04:07 ] @
Meni se ovo desavalo kada mi se otkacio hladnjak na procesoru, temperatura je dosta velika za intelov CPU (za AMD nisam siguran). Proveri hladjenje za svaki slucaj...
[ Guru Fox @ 08.01.2009. 11:19 ] @
Hmm... vidim da jos uvijek koristis windows xp sp2 i IE6... moj bi ti savjet bio updetiraj se na xp sp3 i IE7... puno sigurnije.
[ KventinR @ 06.01.2010. 22:16 ] @
Pratio sam temu od pocetka pa sam i ja uradio onaj test...pa MAGNA86 ako ti nije problem pogledaj i moje rezultate posto mi se javlja isti problem sa kompom....

Logfile of Trend Micro HijackThis v2.0.2
Scan saved at 11:14:49 PM, on 1/6/2010
Platform: Windows XP SP2, v.2096 (WinNT 5.01.2600)
MSIE: Internet Explorer v6.00 SP2 (6.00.2900.2096)
Boot mode: Normal

Running processes:
C:\WINDOWS\System32\smss.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\winlogon.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\services.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\lsass.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\svchost.exe
C:\WINDOWS\System32\svchost.exe
C:\Program Files\AVG\AVG9\avgchsvx.exe
C:\Program Files\AVG\AVG9\avgrsx.exe
C:\Program Files\AVG\AVG9\avgcsrvx.exe
C:\WINDOWS\Explorer.EXE
C:\WINDOWS\system32\spoolsv.exe
C:\Program Files\Java\jre6\bin\jqs.exe
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\VS7DEBUG\MDM.EXE
C:\Program Files\Winamp\winampa.exe
C:\Program Files\Java\jre6\bin\jusched.exe
C:\PROGRA~1\AVG\AVG9\avgtray.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\VTTimer.exe
C:\WINDOWS\SOUNDMAN.EXE
C:\WINDOWS\system32\ctfmon.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\wuauclt.exe
C:\Program Files\Winamp\winamp.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\taskmgr.exe
C:\Program Files\AVG\AVG9\avgwdsvc.exe
C:\Program Files\AVG\AVG9\avgnsx.exe
C:\Program Files\AVG\AVG9\avgemc.exe
C:\Program Files\AVG\AVG9\avgcsrvx.exe
C:\Documents and Settings\Dejan\Local Settings\Application Data\Google\Chrome\Application\chrome.exe
C:\Documents and Settings\Dejan\Local Settings\Application Data\Google\Chrome\Application\chrome.exe
C:\Documents and Settings\Dejan\Local Settings\Application Data\Google\Chrome\Application\chrome.exe
C:\Documents and Settings\Dejan\Local Settings\Application Data\Google\Chrome\Application\chrome.exe
C:\Documents and Settings\Dejan\Local Settings\Application Data\Google\Chrome\Application\chrome.exe
C:\Documents and Settings\Dejan\Local Settings\Application Data\Google\Chrome\Application\chrome.exe
C:\Documents and Settings\Dejan\Local Settings\Application Data\Google\Chrome\Application\chrome.exe
C:\Documents and Settings\Dejan\Desktop\New Folder\HiJackThis.exe

R0 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Start Page = http://search.conduit.com?SearchSource=10&ctid=CT1750559
R3 - URLSearchHook: BS Player Toolbar - {fed66dc5-1b74-4a04-8f5c-15c5ace2b9a5} - C:\Program Files\BS_Player\tbBS_1.dll
O2 - BHO: AcroIEHlprObj Class - {06849E9F-C8D7-4D59-B87D-784B7D6BE0B3} - C:\Program Files\Adobe\Acrobat 7.0\ActiveX\AcroIEHelper.dll
O2 - BHO: WormRadar.com IESiteBlocker.NavFilter - {3CA2F312-6F6E-4B53-A66E-4E65E497C8C0} - C:\Program Files\AVG\AVG9\avgssie.dll
O2 - BHO: Java(tm) Plug-In 2 SSV Helper - {DBC80044-A445-435b-BC74-9C25C1C588A9} - C:\Program Files\Java\jre6\bin\jp2ssv.dll
O2 - BHO: JQSIEStartDetectorImpl - {E7E6F031-17CE-4C07-BC86-EABFE594F69C} - C:\Program Files\Java\jre6\lib\deploy\jqs\ie\jqs_plugin.dll
O2 - BHO: BS Player Toolbar - {fed66dc5-1b74-4a04-8f5c-15c5ace2b9a5} - C:\Program Files\BS_Player\tbBS_1.dll
O3 - Toolbar: &Radio - {8E718888-423F-11D2-876E-00A0C9082467} - C:\WINDOWS\System32\msdxm.ocx
O3 - Toolbar: BS Player Toolbar - {fed66dc5-1b74-4a04-8f5c-15c5ace2b9a5} - C:\Program Files\BS_Player\tbBS_1.dll
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [WinampAgent] "C:\Program Files\Winamp\winampa.exe"
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Cmaudio] RunDll32 cmicnfg.cpl,CMICtrlWnd
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [SunJavaUpdateSched] "C:\Program Files\Java\jre6\bin\jusched.exe"
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [C-Media Speaker Configuration] C:\Program Files\C-Media\WIN_ME\Setup.exe /SPEAKER
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [AVG9_TRAY] C:\PROGRA~1\AVG\AVG9\avgtray.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [VTTimer] VTTimer.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [SoundMan] SOUNDMAN.EXE
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [Google Update] "C:\Documents and Settings\Dejan\Local Settings\Application Data\Google\Update\GoogleUpdate.exe" /c
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [ctfmon.exe] C:\WINDOWS\system32\ctfmon.exe
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [DriverUpdaterPro] C:\Program Files\iXi Tools\Driver Updater Pro\DriverUpdaterPro.exe -t
O4 - Global Startup: Adobe Reader Speed Launch.lnk = C:\Program Files\Adobe\Acrobat 7.0\Reader\reader_sl.exe
O8 - Extra context menu item: Add to Google Photos Screensa&ver - res://C:\WINDOWS\System32\GPhotos.scr/200
O8 - Extra context menu item: E&xport to Microsoft Excel - res://C:\PROGRA~1\MICROS~2\OFFICE11\EXCEL.EXE/3000
O9 - Extra button: Research - {92780B25-18CC-41C8-B9BE-3C9C571A8263} - C:\PROGRA~1\MICROS~2\OFFICE11\REFIEBAR.DLL
O9 - Extra button: Related - {c95fe080-8f5d-11d2-a20b-00aa003c157a} - C:\WINDOWS\web\related.htm
O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: Show &Related Links - {c95fe080-8f5d-11d2-a20b-00aa003c157a} - C:\WINDOWS\web\related.htm
O9 - Extra button: Messenger - {FB5F1910-F110-11d2-BB9E-00C04F795683} - C:\Program Files\Messenger\msmsgs.exe
O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: Windows Messenger - {FB5F1910-F110-11d2-BB9E-00C04F795683} - C:\Program Files\Messenger\msmsgs.exe
O18 - Protocol: linkscanner - {F274614C-63F8-47D5-A4D1-FBDDE494F8D1} - C:\Program Files\AVG\AVG9\avgpp.dll
O20 - Winlogon Notify: avgrsstarter - C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\avgrsstx.dll
O23 - Service: AVG Free E-mail Scanner (avg9emc) - AVG Technologies CZ, s.r.o. - C:\Program Files\AVG\AVG9\avgemc.exe
O23 - Service: AVG Free WatchDog (avg9wd) - AVG Technologies CZ, s.r.o. - C:\Program Files\AVG\AVG9\avgwdsvc.exe
O23 - Service: Google Updater Service (gusvc) - Google - C:\Program Files\Google\Common\Google Updater\GoogleUpdaterService.exe
O23 - Service: Java Quick Starter (JavaQuickStarterService) - Sun Microsystems, Inc. - C:\Program Files\Java\jre6\bin\jqs.exe

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End of file - 5414 bytes


Ako nesto uocis ili ako imas neki nagovestaj sta bi moglo biti u mom slucaju...uglavnom kada pokrenem neki malo zahtevniji program CPU mi ide na 100% i tako par minuta i gasi mi se komp....
[ Sc0rp10 @ 07.01.2010. 12:04 ] @
Evo dok magna ne dodje fixuj ovo pa neka posle on preuzme:


Code:
R0 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Start Page = http://search.conduit.com?SearchSource=10&ctid=CT1750559
R3 - URLSearchHook: BS Player Toolbar - {fed66dc5-1b74-4a04-8f5c-15c5ace2b9a5} - C:\Program Files\BS_Player\tbBS_1.dll
O2 - BHO: BS Player Toolbar - {fed66dc5-1b74-4a04-8f5c-15c5ace2b9a5} - C:\Program Files\BS_Player\tbBS_1.dll
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [DriverUpdaterPro] C:\Program Files\iXi Tools\Driver Updater Pro\DriverUpdaterPro.exe -t



Jesi li ti pokrenuo ovoliko google chrome .exe fajlova?Ovaj driver updater pro mi je sumnjiv.Ti si ga instalirao? I takodje nemoj koristi ie6.
[ magna86 @ 07.01.2010. 13:35 ] @
@Sc0rp10
nema ljutnje..ali rekao si mu da ubije legitimne stavke ;)
sve to treba da stoji tu ;)

@KventinR
pa mogao si i novu temu da otvoris :)
nema veze...HJT log je cist i nema tragove malware-a.
idemo na dodatnu proveru.

Skini DDS Program na Desktop
http://download.bleepingcomputer.com/sUBs/dds.scr

Dvoklikom pokreni dds.scr

Kad zavrsi, DDS ce otvoriti dva loga:
1. DDS.txt
2. Attach.txt

Oba izvestaja sacuvaj na Desktop.
Kopiraj mi DDS.txt
[ Sc0rp10 @ 07.01.2010. 14:29 ] @
Citat:
magna86: @Sc0rp10
nema ljutnje..ali rekao si mu da ubije legitimne stavke ;)
sve to treba da stoji tu ;)


Naravno da nema.Pa ja sam ovde da bih ucio od boljih. ;)
Znam da su legitimne stavke, a ovo za toolbarove sam mu rekao jer smatram da toolbar nekog software-a i nije neophodan u browseru, a verovatno ga je instalirao sistemom next > next > next > finish kada je instairao i bs player, mada mozda i gresim.Ne koristim doticni player.
Za driver sam ga i pitao jer sam nesto gledao na netu i pojedini sajtovi tipa ovaj ga okarakterisali kao malware.No, hvala na ispravci. ;)
[ magna86 @ 07.01.2010. 15:12 ] @
Citat:
Sc0rp10 za toolbarove sam mu rekao jer smatram da toolbar nekog software-a i nije neophodan u browseru, a verovatno ga je instalirao sistemom next > next > next > finish kada je instairao i bs player, mada mozda i gresim.Ne koristim doticni player.
Za driver sam ga i pitao jer sam nesto gledao na netu i pojedini sajtovi tipa ovaj ga okarakterisali kao malware.No, hvala na ispravci. ;)


sto se tice toolbara,slazem se sa tobom ali to nije posao za HJT jer on ce samo obrisati registry stavku a ostaviti file...
nesto kao jako losa deinstalacija...to je posao za add or remove program...

sto se tice 04 Run stavke legitimna je. lokacija fajla mora biti ova:
Code:
\%Program Files%\XPC Tools\Driver Updater Pro\

u suprotnom je malware.
Ovo je program: http://dup.xpctools.com/
PS:nekim sajtovima nije za verovati u potpunosti ;)
[ Sc0rp10 @ 07.01.2010. 16:00 ] @
Slazem se sa tim za sajtove i hvala na objasnjenju. ;)
[ valjan @ 08.01.2010. 07:34 ] @
Citat:
Sc0rp10:

Jesi li ti pokrenuo ovoliko google chrome .exe fajlova?


Tako funkcionise Google Chrome - 1 tab = 1 proces. Najavljuje se da ce FF u novijim verzijama takodje raditi na taj nacin - na taj nacin ako nastane problem u nekom tabu, nece pasti ceo browser, vec samo ubijes proces za taj tab i nastavis surfovanje...
[ KventinR @ 08.01.2010. 11:02 ] @
Uradio sam DDS kako si mi rekao ovo su rezultati...


DDS (Ver_09-12-01.01) - NTFSx86
Run by Dejan at 11:58:43.65 on Fri 01/08/2010
Internet Explorer: 6.0.2900.2096
Microsoft Windows XP Professional 5.1.2600.2.1252.1.1033.18.959.523 [GMT 1:00]

AV: AVG Anti-Virus Free *On-access scanning enabled* (Updated) {17DDD097-36FF-435F-9E1B-52D74245D6BF}

============== Running Processes ===============

C:\WINDOWS\system32\svchost -k DcomLaunch
svchost.exe
C:\WINDOWS\System32\svchost.exe -k netsvcs
svchost.exe
C:\Program Files\AVG\AVG9\avgchsvx.exe
C:\Program Files\AVG\AVG9\avgrsx.exe
svchost.exe
C:\Program Files\AVG\AVG9\avgcsrvx.exe
C:\WINDOWS\Explorer.EXE
C:\WINDOWS\system32\spoolsv.exe
C:\Program Files\AVG\AVG9\avgwdsvc.exe
C:\Program Files\Java\jre6\bin\jqs.exe
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\VS7DEBUG\MDM.EXE
C:\Program Files\Winamp\winampa.exe
C:\Program Files\AVG\AVG9\avgnsx.exe
C:\Program Files\Java\jre6\bin\jusched.exe
C:\PROGRA~1\AVG\AVG9\avgtray.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\VTTimer.exe
C:\Program Files\AVG\AVG9\avgemc.exe
C:\WINDOWS\SOUNDMAN.EXE
C:\WINDOWS\system32\ctfmon.exe
C:\Program Files\AVG\AVG9\avgcsrvx.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\wuauclt.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\taskmgr.exe
C:\Program Files\Winamp\winamp.exe
C:\Documents and Settings\Dejan\Local Settings\Application Data\Google\Chrome\Application\chrome.exe
C:\Documents and Settings\Dejan\Local Settings\Application Data\Google\Chrome\Application\chrome.exe
C:\Documents and Settings\Dejan\Local Settings\Application Data\Google\Chrome\Application\chrome.exe
C:\Documents and Settings\Dejan\Local Settings\Application Data\Google\Chrome\Application\chrome.exe
C:\Documents and Settings\Dejan\Local Settings\Application Data\Google\Chrome\Application\chrome.exe
C:\Documents and Settings\Dejan\My Documents\Downloads\dds.scr

============== Pseudo HJT Report ===============

uStart Page = hxxp://search.conduit.com?SearchSource=10&ctid=CT1750559
uURLSearchHooks: BS Player Toolbar: {fed66dc5-1b74-4a04-8f5c-15c5ace2b9a5} - c:\program files\bs_player\tbBS_1.dll
BHO: AcroIEHlprObj Class: {06849e9f-c8d7-4d59-b87d-784b7d6be0b3} - c:\program files\adobe\acrobat 7.0\activex\AcroIEHelper.dll
BHO: AVG Safe Search: {3ca2f312-6f6e-4b53-a66e-4e65e497c8c0} - c:\program files\avg\avg9\avgssie.dll
BHO: Java(tm) Plug-In 2 SSV Helper: {dbc80044-a445-435b-bc74-9c25c1c588a9} - c:\program files\java\jre6\bin\jp2ssv.dll
BHO: JQSIEStartDetectorImpl Class: {e7e6f031-17ce-4c07-bc86-eabfe594f69c} - c:\program files\java\jre6\lib\deploy\jqs\ie\jqs_plugin.dll
BHO: BS Player Toolbar: {fed66dc5-1b74-4a04-8f5c-15c5ace2b9a5} - c:\program files\bs_player\tbBS_1.dll
TB: BS Player Toolbar: {fed66dc5-1b74-4a04-8f5c-15c5ace2b9a5} - c:\program files\bs_player\tbBS_1.dll
EB: {32683183-48a0-441b-a342-7c2a440a9478} - No File
uRun: [Google Update] "c:\documents and settings\dejan\local settings\application data\google\update\GoogleUpdate.exe" /c
uRun: [ctfmon.exe] c:\windows\system32\ctfmon.exe
uRun: [DriverUpdaterPro] c:\program files\ixi tools\driver updater pro\DriverUpdaterPro.exe -t
mRun: [WinampAgent] "c:\program files\winamp\winampa.exe"
mRun: [Cmaudio] RunDll32 cmicnfg.cpl,CMICtrlWnd
mRun: [SunJavaUpdateSched] "c:\program files\java\jre6\bin\jusched.exe"
mRun: [C-Media Speaker Configuration] c:\program files\c-media\win_me\Setup.exe /SPEAKER
mRun: [AVG9_TRAY] c:\progra~1\avg\avg9\avgtray.exe
mRun: [VTTimer] VTTimer.exe
mRun: [SoundMan] SOUNDMAN.EXE
StartupFolder: c:\docume~1\alluse~1\startm~1\programs\startup\adober~1.lnk - c:\program files\adobe\acrobat 7.0\reader\reader_sl.exe
IE: Add to Google Photos Screensa&ver - c:\windows\system32\GPhotos.scr/200
IE: E&xport to Microsoft Excel - c:\progra~1\micros~2\office11\EXCEL.EXE/3000
IE: {c95fe080-8f5d-11d2-a20b-00aa003c157a} - %SystemRoot%\web\related.htm
IE: {FB5F1910-F110-11d2-BB9E-00C04F795683} - c:\program files\messenger\msmsgs.exe
IE: {92780B25-18CC-41C8-B9BE-3C9C571A8263} - {FF059E31-CC5A-4E2E-BF3B-96E929D65503} - c:\progra~1\micros~2\office11\REFIEBAR.DLL
DPF: DirectAnimation Java Classes - file://c:\windows\java\classes\dajava.cab
DPF: Microsoft XML Parser for Java - file://c:\windows\java\classes\xmldso.cab
DPF: {8AD9C840-044E-11D1-B3E9-00805F499D93} - hxxp://java.sun.com/update/1.6.0/jinstall-1_6_0_17-windows-i586.cab
DPF: {CAFEEFAC-0016-0000-0017-ABCDEFFEDCBA} - hxxp://java.sun.com/update/1.6.0/jinstall-1_6_0_17-windows-i586.cab
DPF: {CAFEEFAC-FFFF-FFFF-FFFF-ABCDEFFEDCBA} - hxxp://java.sun.com/update/1.6.0/jinstall-1_6_0_17-windows-i586.cab
DPF: {D27CDB6E-AE6D-11CF-96B8-444553540000} - hxxp://download.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/flash/swflash.cab
Handler: linkscanner - {F274614C-63F8-47D5-A4D1-FBDDE494F8D1} - c:\program files\avg\avg9\avgpp.dll
Notify: avgrsstarter - avgrsstx.dll

================= FIREFOX ===================

FF - ProfilePath - c:\docume~1\dejan\applic~1\mozilla\firefox\profiles\mnq42cg0.default\
FF - prefs.js: browser.search.defaulturl - hxxp://search.conduit.com/ResultsExt.aspx?ctid=CT1750559&SearchSource=3&q={searchTerms}
FF - prefs.js: browser.search.selectedEngine - BS Player Customized Web Search
FF - prefs.js: browser.startup.homepage - hxxp://search.conduit.com/?ctid=CT1750559&SearchSource=13
FF - prefs.js: keyword.URL - hxxp://search.conduit.com/ResultsExt.aspx?ctid=CT1750559&SearchSource=2&q=
FF - component: c:\program files\avg\avg9\firefox\components\avgssff.dll
FF - plugin: c:\documents and settings\dejan\local settings\application data\google\update\1.2.183.13\npGoogleOneClick8.dll
FF - plugin: c:\program files\google\picasa3\npPicasa3.dll

============= SERVICES / DRIVERS ===============

R1 AvgLdx86;AVG Free AVI Loader Driver x86;c:\windows\system32\drivers\avgldx86.sys [2009-12-20 333192]
R1 AvgMfx86;AVG Free On-access Scanner Minifilter Driver x86;c:\windows\system32\drivers\avgmfx86.sys [2009-12-20 28424]
R1 AvgTdiX;AVG Free Network Redirector;c:\windows\system32\drivers\avgtdix.sys [2009-12-20 360584]
R2 avg9emc;AVG Free E-mail Scanner;c:\program files\avg\avg9\avgemc.exe [2009-12-20 906520]
R2 avg9wd;AVG Free WatchDog;c:\program files\avg\avg9\avgwdsvc.exe [2009-12-20 285392]

=============== Created Last 30 ================

2009-12-20 11:05:38 169 ----a-w- c:\windows\RtlRack.ini
2009-12-20 10:50:51 16 ----a-w- c:\windows\wininit.ini
2009-12-20 10:50:28 0 d-----w- c:\windows\system32\appmgmt
2009-12-20 10:46:16 0 d-----w- c:\program files\Realtek Sound Manager
2009-12-20 10:46:15 0 d-----w- c:\program files\AvRack
2009-12-20 10:46:04 0 d-----w- c:\program files\Realtek AC97
2009-12-20 10:36:30 0 d-----w- c:\program files\S3
2009-12-20 10:36:22 304128 ----a-w- c:\windows\IsUninst.exe
2009-12-20 10:36:20 0 d-----w- c:\documents and settings\dejan\WINDOWS
2009-12-20 10:27:12 0 d-----w- c:\program files\iXi Tools
2009-12-20 10:02:16 0 d-----w- c:\windows\system32\New Folder
2009-12-20 00:56:50 0 d-----w- c:\program files\Conduit
2009-12-20 00:56:47 0 d-----w- c:\program files\BS_Player
2009-12-20 00:56:31 0 d-----w- c:\docume~1\dejan\applic~1\BSplayer Pro
2009-12-20 00:56:31 0 d-----w- c:\docume~1\dejan\applic~1\BSplayer
2009-12-20 00:56:30 0 d-----w- c:\program files\Webteh
2009-12-20 00:50:26 0 d-----w- c:\windows\pss
2009-12-20 00:41:35 376 ----a-w- c:\windows\ODBC.INI
2009-12-20 00:41:30 17920 ----a-w- c:\windows\system32\mdimon.dll
2009-12-20 00:39:23 0 d-----w- c:\program files\common files\L&H
2009-12-20 00:39:04 0 d-----w- c:\program files\Microsoft ActiveSync
2009-12-20 00:35:02 0 d-----w- c:\windows\SHELLNEW
2009-12-20 00:14:32 0 d-----w- c:\program files\GRETECH
2009-12-19 23:54:57 0 d--h--w- C:\$AVG
2009-12-19 23:54:48 12464 ----a-w- c:\windows\system32\avgrsstx.dll
2009-12-19 23:54:47 360584 ----a-w- c:\windows\system32\drivers\avgtdix.sys
2009-12-19 23:54:40 333192 ----a-w- c:\windows\system32\drivers\avgldx86.sys
2009-12-19 23:54:38 0 d-----w- c:\windows\system32\drivers\Avg
2009-12-19 23:54:26 0 d-----w- c:\program files\AVG
2009-12-19 23:54:24 0 d-----w- c:\docume~1\alluse~1\applic~1\avg9
2009-12-19 23:52:44 92 ----a-w- c:\windows\CMISETUP.INI
2009-12-19 23:52:44 26 ----a-w- c:\windows\CMCDPLAY.INI
2009-12-19 23:29:40 0 d-----w- c:\windows\system32\wbem\AutoRecover
2009-12-19 23:25:06 217088 ----a-w- c:\windows\system32\wmpns.dll
2009-12-19 23:24:27 84992 -c----w- c:\windows\system32\dllcache\dpcdll.dll
2009-12-19 23:24:27 84992 ----a-w- c:\windows\system32\dpcdll.dll
2009-12-19 23:24:26 9728 ------w- c:\windows\system32\comsdupd.exe
2009-12-19 23:24:26 52736 ------w- c:\windows\system32\vbicodec.ax
2009-12-19 23:24:26 40832 ------w- c:\windows\system32\drivers\irbus.sys
2009-12-19 23:24:26 32768 ----a-w- c:\windows\system32\asr_pfu.exe
2009-12-19 23:24:26 239616 ------w- c:\windows\system32\wstrenderer.ax
2009-12-19 23:24:26 164352 ------w- c:\windows\system32\wstpager.ax
2009-12-19 23:24:26 12800 ----a-w- c:\windows\system32\spiisupd.exe
2009-12-19 23:24:26 1229 ------w- c:\windows\system32\wbem\wscenter.mof
2009-12-19 23:24:00 4255 ------w- c:\windows\system32\drivers\adv01nt5.dll
2009-12-19 23:22:04 4933 ----a-w- c:\windows\system32\wbem\hform.xsl
2009-12-19 23:21:59 9216 ----a-w- c:\windows\system32\proxycfg.exe
2009-12-19 23:20:59 68768 ----a-w- c:\windows\system\mmsystem.dll
2009-12-19 23:19:59 884736 ----a-w- c:\windows\system32\msimsg.dll
2009-12-19 23:18:59 2940928 ----a-w- c:\windows\system32\wmploc.dll
2009-12-19 23:16:12 19373 ----a-w- c:\windows\002044_.tmp
2009-12-19 23:16:08 0 d-----w- c:\windows\system32\ReinstallBackups
2009-12-19 23:15:58 15872 ----a-w- c:\windows\system32\spupdsvc.exe
2009-12-19 23:15:19 3072 ----a-w- c:\windows\system32\drivers\audstub.sys
2009-12-19 23:14:02 0 d-----w- c:\docume~1\alluse~1\applic~1\BF8051E7-626F-4a11-AF7A-625A7B555862
2009-12-19 23:13:05 0 d-----w- c:\program files\common files\ODBC
2009-12-19 23:13:02 0 d-----w- c:\program files\common files\SpeechEngines
2009-12-19 23:12:59 5632 -c--a-w- c:\windows\system32\dllcache\kbdycc.dll
2009-12-19 23:12:42 0 d-----r- c:\documents and settings\all users\Documents
2009-12-19 23:08:43 0 d-----w- c:\program files\Carambis
2009-12-19 23:04:07 261 ----a-w- c:\windows\system32\$winnt$.inf
2009-12-19 22:36:15 0 d-----w- c:\program files\Winamp Detect
2009-12-19 22:22:40 0 d-sh--w- c:\documents and settings\all users\DRM
2009-12-19 22:21:31 0 d-----w- c:\program files\common files\MSSoap
2009-12-19 22:20:25 0 d--h--w- c:\program files\WindowsUpdate
2009-12-19 22:20:25 0 d-----w- c:\program files\Online Services
2009-12-19 22:20:19 0 d-----w- c:\program files\Messenger
2009-12-19 22:20:15 0 d-----w- c:\program files\MSN Gaming Zone
2009-12-19 22:19:47 0 d-----w- c:\program files\Windows NT

==================== Find3M ====================

2009-12-19 22:20:49 21640 ----a-w- c:\windows\system32\emptyregdb.dat
2009-10-11 03:17:27 411368 ----a-w- c:\windows\system32\deploytk.dll
2003-12-17 13:24:06 794624 ----a-w- c:\windows\inf\other\AUDIO3D.DLL

============= FINISH: 11:59:02.84 ===============
[ KventinR @ 08.01.2010. 11:13 ] @
Sto se tice google chrome otvara mi evo npr sada mi je ukljucen samo jedan tab a on mi pokazuje u task manager-u da imam otvorena tri fajla chrome.exe... takodje kada upalim komp kaze da mi nedostaje cmicnfg.cpl fajl....
[ valjan @ 08.01.2010. 12:08 ] @
E da, jedan proces za korisnicki interfejs, jedan za dodatke, i po jedan za svaki tab - tako da u osnovi i treba da ih bude najmanje tri...
[ Sc0rp10 @ 08.01.2010. 12:56 ] @
Citat:
valjan: Tako funkcionise Google Chrome - 1 tab = 1 proces. Najavljuje se da ce FF u novijim verzijama takodje raditi na taj nacin - na taj nacin ako nastane problem u nekom tabu, nece pasti ceo browser, vec samo ubijes proces za taj tab i nastavis surfovanje...



Cuo sam to za FF, ali nisam znao da chrome vec radi po tom principu.
[ magna86 @ 09.01.2010. 01:21 ] @
@KventinR

logovi su cisti i ovde nema malware-a ...sve je OK

preskeniraj kompjuter sa ova dva programa:
Wise Registry Cleaner | Wise Disk Cleaner Free

homepage & download:
http://www.wisecleaner.com/download.html

skini free verzije i skeniraj racunar...cisto da se oslobodis raznoraznog viska "smeca" kojeg imas u kompu...

mozda uz to i CCleaner...opcija "Cleaner" ...scan...
[ Blue Screen of Death @ 31.01.2010. 14:48 ] @
Igrajući igru stalker call of pripyat imam problema sa cpu usage, imam phenomx4 a igra vidi samo jedno jezgro koje je napregnuto 100%, i to na minimalnim podešavanjima, koristeći pri tom skoro 2GB rama, u readme piše da je konfiguracija potrebna za ovu igru proc 2GHz i 512MB rama. Gledajući ovo ne bi reko da bi radio na takvoj mašini, osim ako ne postoji treći problem. Proc je phenom 9600, g. kar. 3870, 2GB ddr2 pc6400, windows 7 x64. Slika u prilog:

[ salle87 @ 05.03.2011. 01:41 ] @
imam isti problem i ne znam kako da ga resim dignem sistem *windows 7* i posle izvesnog vremena prilikom instaliranja nekog programa cpu varira od 10 do 100 nekad i zakuca ...ljudi sta da radim


Logfile of Trend Micro HijackThis v2.0.2
Scan saved at 2:24:08 AM, on 3/11/2005
Platform: Unknown Windows (WinNT 6.01.3504)
MSIE: Internet Explorer v8.00 (8.00.7600.16385)
Boot mode: Normal

Running processes:
C:\Windows\system32\taskhost.exe
C:\Windows\system32\Dwm.exe
C:\Windows\Explorer.EXE
C:\Windows\System32\rundll32.exe
C:\Program Files\Windows Sidebar\sidebar.exe
C:\Program Files\ATI Technologies\ATI.ACE\Core-Static\MOM.exe
C:\Program Files\BitTorrent\BitTorrent.exe
C:\Program Files\Internet Download Manager\IDMan.exe
C:\Program Files\SRS Labs\SRS Premium Sound Control Panel\SRSPremiumPanel.exe
C:\Program Files\ATI Technologies\ATI.ACE\Core-Static\CCC.exe
C:\Program Files\Internet Download Manager\IEMonitor.exe
C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\firefox.exe
C:\Users\alimpic\AppData\Local\Temp\winjjmu.exe
C:\Users\alimpic\AppData\Local\Temp\winytctep.exe
C:\Users\alimpic\AppData\Local\Temp\w75abc.exe
C:\Windows\system32\SearchFilterHost.exe
C:\Users\alimpic\Desktop\ES2\ES2.exe
C:\Windows\system32\DllHost.exe

R0 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Start Page = http://mn.iamwired.net/
R1 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Default_Page_URL = http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=69157
R1 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Default_Search_URL = http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=54896
R1 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Search Page = http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=54896
R0 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Start Page = http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=69157
R0 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Search,SearchAssistant =
R0 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Search,CustomizeSearch =
R0 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Toolbar,LinksFolderName =
R3 - URLSearchHook: UrlSearchHook Class - {00000000-6E41-4FD3-8538-502F5495E5FC} - C:\Program Files\Ask.com\GenericAskToolbar.dll
O2 - BHO: IDM Helper - {0055C089-8582-441B-A0BF-17B458C2A3A8} - C:\Program Files\Internet Download Manager\IDMIECC.dll
O2 - BHO: Ask Toolbar BHO - {D4027C7F-154A-4066-A1AD-4243D8127440} - C:\Program Files\Ask.com\GenericAskToolbar.dll
O2 - BHO: Java(tm) Plug-In 2 SSV Helper - {DBC80044-A445-435b-BC74-9C25C1C588A9} - C:\Program Files\Java\jre6\bin\jp2ssv.dll (file missing)
O3 - Toolbar: MVC Toolbar - {D4027C7F-154A-4066-A1AD-4243D8127440} - C:\Program Files\Ask.com\GenericAskToolbar.dll
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Welcome Center] C:\Windows\system32\rundll32.exe C:\Windows\system32\OobeFldr.dll,ShowWelcomeCenter LaunchedBy_StartMenuShortcut
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Sidebar] C:\Program Files\Windows Sidebar\sidebar.exe /autoRun
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [SmartAudio] C:\Program Files\CONEXANT\SAII\SAIICpl.exe /t
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [StartCCC] "C:\Program Files\ATI Technologies\ATI.ACE\Core-Static\CLIStart.exe" MSRun
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [Sidebar] C:\Program Files\Windows Sidebar\sidebar.exe /autoRun
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [BitTorrent] "C:\Program Files\BitTorrent\BitTorrent.exe"
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [IDMan] C:\Program Files\Internet Download Manager\IDMan.exe /onboot
O4 - HKUS\S-1-5-19\..\Run: [Sidebar] %ProgramFiles%\Windows Sidebar\Sidebar.exe /autoRun (User 'LOCAL SERVICE')
O4 - HKUS\S-1-5-19\..\RunOnce: [mctadmin] C:\Windows\System32\mctadmin.exe (User 'LOCAL SERVICE')
O4 - HKUS\S-1-5-20\..\Run: [Sidebar] %ProgramFiles%\Windows Sidebar\Sidebar.exe /autoRun (User 'NETWORK SERVICE')
O4 - HKUS\S-1-5-20\..\RunOnce: [mctadmin] C:\Windows\System32\mctadmin.exe (User 'NETWORK SERVICE')
O4 - Global Startup: SRS Premium Sound.lnk = ?
O8 - Extra context menu item: Download all links with IDM - C:\Program Files\Internet Download Manager\IEGetAll.htm
O8 - Extra context menu item: Download FLV video content with IDM - C:\Program Files\Internet Download Manager\IEGetVL.htm
O8 - Extra context menu item: Download with IDM - C:\Program Files\Internet Download Manager\IEExt.htm
O13 - Gopher Prefix:
O23 - Service: AMD External Events Utility - AMD - C:\Windows\system32\atiesrxx.exe

--
End of file - 4076 bytes
[ missortr @ 05.03.2011. 10:39 ] @
Citat:
Blue Screen of Death: Igrajući igru stalker call of pripyat imam problema sa cpu usage, imam phenomx4 a igra vidi samo jedno jezgro

Po nekad tipicno za 7-micu, na TaskManager-u, tj. taj sto si uslikao idi dole na ResourceMonitor
na karticu CPU, s desne strane ce ti se pojaviti grafikoni (br.CPU=br.grafikona) Koliko ti je CPU=Parked? Vjerovatno 0

Graficka koja tacno?
Pogledaj da li ista graficka u potpunosti podrzava tu igricu, ako GPU ne gura igru CPU ga ceka, opterecuje ga tj. znatno usporava masinu.

Primjer.
Evo ti npr. trenutno stanje na Win7X64Ultimate, trenutno podignut sa starijeg i sporijeg HDD, ukljucen Chrome 3xTab + Trillian = nista posebno.



To me tvoje nesto i ne cudi, Win 7 pali procesore po potrebi, tj. nema potrebe da rade = nisu ukljuceni, treba i 8Gb rama i vise + brz HDD da poteras sve procesore....
Uradi prime test cisto da vidis kako to izgleda kad je full CPU = 100% ----- ps nemoj dugo
[ ozzyy @ 05.03.2011. 18:48 ] @
missortr.. Pogledaj od kada je tema ?????
[ missortr @ 06.03.2011. 10:02 ] @
desava se DD
[ code91 @ 19.09.2012. 09:05 ] @
Meni je ovaj klip mnogo pomogao. Iako ne deluje verodostojno na prvi pogled, meni je pomoglo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIKu1VhGJJk
Nadam se da sam od pomoci nekome.