Pokušao sam da im objasnim to za Jugoslaviju ali stvarno nema veze sa time, izgleda da postoji neki dokument i da USA nije još uvek skinula sve finansijske blokade prema SCG.

Evo odgovora koji sam dobio:

My hands are tied here. I am following a directive from senior
management. The account will remain closed. Your funds will be released
on 1-16
Neva

heh bracho moja... sta da vam kazem nego tuga. Mi u bosni ne prolazimo puno bolje jos kad nas proglase teroristickom najbli smo.

E shit

[Ovu poruku je menjao drdrksa dana 06.01.2004. u 00:00 GMT]

jel su vam barem vratili setup fee i 'oslobodili' kes koji se nalazi na racunu? moj nalog i dalje sljaka, ali je verovatno samo pitanje vremena... dajte neki info, ako su u fazonu da me ugase, daj barem da se pozovem na onaj money-back guarantee i da spasim $49 koje su mi uzeli za otvaranje naloga

Sta cemo sad!?

Sad ćemo da se slikamo. Pa imali ste priliku da glasate, pokazali ste kakvu budućnost želite, a posledice ćete tek da osetite. Sretno svima.

(ne vraćaju fee pošto si već koristio servis izgleda.. no to je i očekivano)

gojko, kada bi ovo bio izolovani incident ne bi bilo toliko strašno. opasno je što ovo liči na trend posle 28.12...


mrva, i pošto sada ne možemo da idemo njih da bijemo, onda nam ostaje da dohvatimo tebe, pošto si ti najviše hvalio i popularisao 2c ovde :-P

heheh ja popularisem sve sto je dobro, ali ako pocnemo da ulazimo u srz problema dolazimo do TEBE:)
nije jasno? pa evo gi objasnim:)

- u USA postoje 2 stranke koje se menjaju, relativno postuju zakone i pomazu drugima (radi svojih interesa)...

- i sad dodjosmo i do srzi:) ti kao bivsi OTPORNIK (clan otpor-a i webmaster i naravno popularisao) nevladine organizacije koja je dobila ogroman novac za rusenje Cobetovog rezima........... i da nebi duzio puno dodjosmo konacno do trenda posle 28.12 ... ako pratite novine domace i strane niko se ne buni radi stranaka (ipak je to volja naroda) nego se u Kongresu zakuvalo radi nelegalno trosenog novca od poreskih obveznika ( koje je OTPOR dobio kao nevladina organizacija i samim prerastanjem u politicku stranku prekrsio sve moguce zakone Amerike i pocela je hitna istraga svih novcanih transakcija prema nama i potkacise nas i ovako......

I meni je rachun josh uvek aktivan - a recite mi shta mislite da li ima veze ko je otvorio rachun - poshto je meni otvorio amerikanac a ja sam kasnije promenio u administraciji kontakt - da li to mozhda ima neke veze ?

I shta mislite shta bi se desilo da sad promenim samo zemlju odakle sam - npr stavim Hungary ?

Da li bi ih zavarao (amda chisto sumnjam)

Oooo yebeni živote, zemljo i narode!!!!

meni su napisali ovo:

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Dear Merchant,

The following comment was added by the 2CheckOut Team,

All accounts from Belgrade are currently under suspension while we review U.S. OFAC regulations. All of our accounts in all OFAC-affected countries have been suspended for the course of the current review.



I cannot say at the moment if Belgrade accounts will be re-activated when our OFAC review is complete.



I know this is sudden, but it was necessary to immediately suspend all accounts in OFAC countries in order to avoid severe penalties to our company. If it is determined that we will be able to keep the Belgrade accounts we will get back to you with more information.

[email protected]

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pa onda moj reply, i odgovor.. moram reci da su mi odgovorili u roku od 5min

Hello Danko,

Yes, I understand the general sanctions formerly against the country as
a whole have been lifted and now there is a list of individuals from
Serbia that we cannot do business with.

This is an important part of the information to be reviewed by senior
management here at 2Checkout.

Mosborn

On Wed, 2003-12-31 at 14:12, dvukovic wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I have just revievec U.S. Treasury OFAC program, and it says:
> "The Office of Foreign Assets Control ("OFAC") of the US Department of
> the Treasury administers and enforces economic and trade sanctions based
> on US foreign policy and national security goals against targeted
> foreign countries, terrorists, international narcotics traffickers, and
> those engaged in activities related to the proliferation of weapons of
> mass destruction. OFAC acts under Presidential wartime and national
> emergency powers, as well as authority granted by specific legislation,
> to impose controls on transactions and freeze foreign assets under US
> jurisdiction. Many of the sanctions are based on United Nations and
> other international mandates, are multilateral in scope, and involve
> close cooperation with allied governments."
>
> I can't see any reason to block accounts from Yugoslavia
> (Serbia&Montenegro), becouse my country is not on any US or UN
> embargo/trade sanctions list. Could you please take that into
> consideration, beacause I really do not want to loose any of my clients
> due to an error in paperwork and regulations.
>
> Regards,
> Danko Vukovic
> DaniFlowers.com
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i opet odgovor na odgovor
Hello Danko,

The account doesn't need to be re-activated in order for you to receive
your payment. I think that your transfer on the 3-5th of January will
not be affected.

I don't know how long this review will take; I hope it will be less than
a week.

Mosborn

On Wed, 2003-12-31 at 14:05, dvukovic wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Could you at least activate the account to recieve payments, because I
> don't want to loose any clients during your review.
>
> Is this suspension going to affect regular wire transfer of $330 that
> should be coming to my account on 3-5th January 2004?
>
> Do you have any clues how long this would going to take?
>
> Regards,
> Danko Vukovic
> DaniFlowers.com

ok, iako znam da se šališ (da li? ;) samo da napomenem da ja nemam ništa sa otporom još od 2001. godine, tako da za ovo sigurno nisam ja odgovoran :-P

nego ozbiljno, jel se to stvarno digla frka oko otpora kao stranke sada ili se i to zezaš? (baš me interesuje) i dal je moguće da ovo stvarno ima veze sa tim?

Upravo tako

Naravno da nema nikakve veze sa gore navedenim. Verovatno je nekome dospela u ruke neki stari dokument.



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Doticnu kompaniju mozete uputiti na vebsajt Americkog trezora - direkcije za kontrolu stranih sredstava:

OFAC - Office of Foreign Assets Control
http://treas.gov/ofac

A spisak zemalja koje podlezu americkim sankcijama: http://treas.gov/offices/eotffc/ofac/sanctions/index.html


Tu se moze videti da Srbija ne podleze nikakvim sankcijama od strane Sjedinjenih Americkih Drzava.

kod venture na sajtu stoji ovo

"Nakon okoncanja standardnih procedura US Treasury-ja, ponovo smo u mogucnosti da primamo uplate putem kreditnih kartica. Zahvaljujemo se na strpljenju."

..jel to tacno?
Jesu vam sada svima odblokirani 2checkout accounts?

kom sajtu?

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bio blokiran i pre par dana odblokiran ...

PA da li to ima veze sa kolichinom love kou si tamo imao - meni su ugasili i gotovo kao i Maratoncu - znachi "This is not negotiable !" je pisalo u mailu koji sam dobio i od onda je gotovo sa ovom prichom - nije mi jasno kako su vama samo BLOKIRALI rachun !?!?

Mene nishta nisu ni pitali ni molili samo je stigao taj mail i gotovo - sve pare su vratili choveku koji mi je uplatio par puta lovu a ja josh nisam skinuo - i gotovo..

Nego reci te mi jednu stvar je imam onu intercash karticu ali nemogu da pristupim sa Maestro automata (verovatno mi nisu verifikovali rachun) ali kad se ulogujem sa neta vidim da imam rachun - i na njemustoji $25..

Da li vi kojima je bio verifikovan rachun u toj banci alabame i pre nove godine mozhete da skinete neshto odande ?

mislim da nema veze sa kolicinom novca, procesirano je u 3 meseca oko 1300$, a mislim da ima oko 300 tamo ... kad je blokirano davalo je istu poruku kao iznad -pri pokusaju logovanja, al od pre dva dana sve radi normalno

Meni su pre par dana odblokirali racun, i sve ok...

Evo i maila:


Dear Merchant,

The following comment was added by the 2CheckOut Team,

I am happy to tell you that this account has been turned on again.



It had been necessary for us to suspend all accounts from countries affected by OFAC regulations in order to be certain that our company is not in violation of US law. Now we have been able to carefully examine the requirements and un-suspend accounts that do not appear to be restricted by the law.



You may now access your 2Checkout account again.



You will need to reset your password by clicking on the "Forgot Password" link when you log in to your Admin Page.



[email protected]

Da li to znaci da 2checkout sada svima funkcionise? Da li moze da se napravi novi account za one koji su iz Srbije?

Kada se napravi 2CO account onda se u korisnickom interfejsu odmah napisu informacije za Wire transfer? Kako ide isplata kada se primi uplata? Cekom i Wire transferom? Na sajtu pise low cost wire transfer. Kolika je provizija za wire transfer? Koliko je dana obicno potrebno da novac stigne u neku domacu banku?

Hvala unapred.

Povoljno za velike svote, nepovoljno za manje ...

http://www.2checkout.com/int-wire-fees.htm

blokiranje privatnih racuna po drzavnoj direktivi poslednji put je vidjeno u Moskvi 1936. i Beogradu 1945. neposredno po dolasku na vlast Staljina i njegovog odojceta Broz-Tita i njihovih komunistickih tikvana.

Quo vadis America ?

Otkud sada toliki fee?

Tamo lepo pise: I wish to be paid by Wire Transfer in the following currency: EUR ( $5 fee, $300 minimum transfer )

Da li je to mozda $5 samo za US a ovi fees su international?

Evo sada sam proverio (dobro su sakrili to), znaci stvarno su toliki fees za international wire trasnfer.

Sta na kraju bi, jel su odblokirali racune iz SCG na 2checkout ili su jos suspendovani?

Kad otvorim nalog na 2Checkout.com sa via karticom,da li mogu da vrsim naplatu od nekog sa paypal,i da li 2Checkout.com slje pare na moj racun u banci