[ pwaper @ 11.09.2010. 08:29 ] @
Zelim da 3d model koji sam napravio prebacim u flash fortam da bi ga gomao pokazati drugima. Uspeo sam da pocomu FlashEx V2 exportujeom mdel, ali nema tekstura ni poligonaas mo linije..PS:radim u Cinema 4D r.10.5
Unapred hvala..

[Ovu poruku je menjao pwaper dana 11.09.2010. u 10:46 GMT+1]
[ Stranger2 @ 11.09.2010. 19:00 ] @
Ja se bas interesujem za 3d u flashu ali ne pamtim kad sam zadnji put nesto nasao na tu temu. Samo par demoa ali nista posebno. Najavili su da ce flash 11 biti 3D ali nista se ne zna kad ce.

jedna mogucnost je da model prikazes pmocu VRML plugina u browseru a druga mogucnost: pogledaj temu "virtuelni muzej" ili tako nekako se zove ima isto jedno resenje jako dobro...

U flashu za sada moze napraviti samo nekakav slide-show ili pseudo 3d animaciju sacinjenu od 2D frejmova (koje dobijes renderovanjem) kao na primer ovo http://www.motorola.com/Consum...GLP-DROID-2&WT.mc_ev=click
[ deepwhite @ 12.09.2010. 16:46 ] @
Tesko ces ista kvalitetno napraviti na taj nacin. Modeli koji se eksportuju u flash, moraju prvo da se razlome na poligone a zatim da se eksportuju kao .dae (collada) fajlovi. Zatim uzmi neki od flesh 3d endzina poput Papervisiona i odradi ostatak posla.
Postoji mogucnost eksporta u celih modela u dae fajl, ali dolazi do problema mapiranja i svacega jos, sto resavas poznavanjam rada u endzinu. Na netu ima dosta primera pa i mogucnosti da ubacis svoje modele u vec pripremljene projekte. Samo izguglaj ali po pravoj reci: Papervision ili flash 3d engine.
[ MOHOK7 @ 14.09.2010. 15:14 ] @
VRML je web format ali nije flash format ima jake mogucnosti interakcije i ne bas najbolji shader ali
Od toga smo odustali ima nekoliko godina posetilac mora da instalira plugin da bi mogao videti 3D objekt na racunaru sto ce retko tko da uradi boje se ljudi da ce ukokati racunar.
Druga mogucnost je 3D flash sa java skriptom
Imas dve firme koje to valjano rade prvi su svedjani a drugi je holomatix Papervision ne koristimo ne valja.

Mi koristimo Holomatix program moze da otvori 3DS Maya MAX i Lightwave format interakcije mozes odraditi u AS mogucnosti interakcije mozes pogledati na Holomatix.com
neke nase primere na http://www.stock-3d.com/Web-3D-service/

Prednost je sto na kraju dobijas web baziranu realtime 3D Flash aplikaciju koja da bi ju korisnik video treba imati instalirano na racunaru:
Flash player
Java skript

A to je otprilike 98 % racunara.
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MOHOK
PS
Da se ne upustamo opet u prepucavanja "majstore" kao sto su duboko belo itd. takvi nisu u stanju da odrade te stvari i onda uzimaju sebe kao merilo sveta i tvrde da nije moguce, jer boze moje oni su posisali svu pamet ovoga sveta a ne mogu tako nesto. Mozes dobiti prilicno dobre modele za www vise nego izvrsne ali nemoj online 3D vektorsku grafiku mesati sa offline renderom ( duboko belo ocito jos uvek nije ustanovio razliku izmedju te dve stvari) web 3d grafika se renderuje u realnom vremenu na svakom korisnickom racunaru posebno i prikaz ovisi o hardveru i softweru korisnika dakle na sto racunara imas sto razlicitih kvaliteta prikaza.


[ pwaper @ 14.09.2010. 18:21 ] @
Hvala mohok za odgovor ilia imas li neki tutorial za ovaj holomatix posto ggmasa skinuo ali ne znam kako da opxertuje pomocu njega??
[ serbocop @ 14.09.2010. 21:37 ] @
...pisah ti onomad o tvom pisanju, a ti opet ...

"ja te krstim, a ti prdish" - kako rekose neki mudri ljudi ...

(sorry za off topic) ...brzo ce Mohok :)
[ MOHOK7 @ 15.09.2010. 07:46 ] @
imas gomilu tutorijala na holomatixovom sajtu
Idi na link Blaze 3D Studio
Stvar je vrlo jednostavna odradis model u nekom 3D programu za special FX importiras ga u Blase tamo mu ispoliras shadere osvetljenje interakcije i materijale i zatim Opcija "publish" program ti automatski odradi 3D flash, Java aplet i Html.
Vazno je da pripazis da ti model nema previse poligona ( do 15 000 je optimalno) odnosno da teksture ne prelaze granicu za WWW.

Ima jos masa "krupnica" koje su bitne da model valjano funkcionira vezano za interakcije dobar prikaz itd. Ali o tome bih ti mogao napisati knjigu od 500 strana.
Ako hoces da odradis interakcije onda je najbolje da se povezes sa nekim ko zna valjano da odradi Flash programiranje Action script mi smo upravo zbog toga odabrali Holomatix Blase jer ima ljudi koje mozemo da angazujemo relativno brzo i ne moramo mnogo da ih obucavamo.

Kao sto vidis vec se javljaju "majstori" 3D zanata da mudruju srpski pajkan i duboko belo na primer, svi su oni odreda kao evnuh u Haremu po principu:
1) On zna kako se to radi
2) On svaki dan gleda kako se to radi
3) Ali on to ne moze da odradi :-)

Ja ti za razliku od njih prenosim konkretna iskustva bazirana na konkretno odradjenim poslovima ne delim savete na osnovu svojih mastarija o stvarima koje nisam u stanju da uradim.

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[ MOHOK7 @ 15.09.2010. 07:51 ] @
Samo pripazi sa Holomatixovim tray outom upuca ti se u registri datoteke od windowsa i ako ne umes da pocistis stvar nema ti druge nego da nakon sto je istekao tray out period formatiras racunar da bi ga mogao dalje isprobavati. oprezni su englezi sa licencama svadjao sam se sa njima nekoliko puta kad sam selio licencu sa racunara na racunar jednostavno je preterano osigurano sad su me ostavili na miru i mogu da selim licencu kako hocu.
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[ labicko1 @ 15.09.2010. 13:18 ] @
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Nadam se da ce sada neko od moderatora videti i obrisati temu, pwapervec mesecima se divi MOHOK-u, postavi sad temu kao da nezna cime se ovaj bavi a onda MOHOK dodje i reklamira svoju firmu. Ovu pricu smo ovde culi vec hiljadu puta.
[ MOHOK7 @ 15.09.2010. 13:50 ] @
Labicko iskreno se izvinjavam sto te nisam pomenuo kod nabrajanja evnuha, nisam to uradio iz razloga sto se nisi na vreme javio da po obicaju delis mudre savete o stvarima o kojima pojma nemas.

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Ipak bih upitao sve evnuhe odreda: Jel vi umete da odradite posao o kojem je ovde rec ili niste tome dorasli pa zato pljujete po sistemu "ne mogu da ga dohvatim ali grozdje je ionako kiselo" ???
Zavist treba i zasluziti
[ pwaper @ 15.09.2010. 15:08 ] @
Razumeo sam ponesto ali nemam vremena da se nesto vise posvecujem tome, Bio bih ti zahvalan ako mi oadneki sablon i objasnis mi samo kako da mjenjam model telefona.. Ako imas nesto tako molio bi te da mi posaljes i usput objasis kako da mjenjam model???
[ serbocop @ 15.09.2010. 17:05 ] @
e dobro je ovo sa evnusima :) ... a "kiselo grozdje" ti je vec ofucana fora ...

aj sad posalji Stefiju sabloncice ... da vidimo kako Vi to, u vasoj firmi TAMO, radite ...

mada vec "vidim" da ce biti problem oko "davanja" licenci - u vezi sa :
"prvi su svedjani,drugi holomatiks ,papervizn ne valja"

doduse ovo sa SABLONOM ni nema neke logike, ali Vasa firma ce to sigurno resiti i
izvesti jednog talentovanog momka na pravi put ...

Sto ne "zakupis" prostor na Elitu - kupi baner i linkuj ga "sa one strane Alpa" i tamo sviraj .....
(posto si izgleda opet nasao instrument ;) )
[ labicko1 @ 15.09.2010. 19:06 ] @
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[ labicko1 @ 15.09.2010. 19:07 ] @
Valjda ce neki od moderatora ovo primetiti

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[ MOHOK7 @ 16.09.2010. 12:55 ] @
Pwaper nema sablona niti u jednom poslu odes u Blase u material editor i tamo editiras materijale imas slider i menjas opcije:
Blur Brightness Saturation Freesnel imas cetiri kanala i to je vise nego dovoljno.

Sto se samih interakcija tice u sample datotekama imas Flash datoteke *.fla i *. swf To mozes menjati ako znas da radis sa Flash Action Scriptom. na samom sajtu imas gomilu gotovih skriptova za interakcije ako se ne razumes u AS onda ti savetujem da potrazis nekoga ko zna da radi sa Flashom ima ih tri za gros.

Nije jednostavno ali se moze po meni su svi ostali konverteri odreda daleko komplikovaniji.

Pozdrav i postovanje s ove strane Alpa
MOHOK

Ipak bih jos jedared upitao Evnuhe dal ste vi odradili barem jedan posao o kojem sada delite mudre savete ??








[ MOHOK7 @ 16.09.2010. 12:56 ] @
Labicko jesi li ti to vec dobio nervni slom ili se moram jos malo potruditi :-) ????
[ MOHOK7 @ 16.09.2010. 13:00 ] @
srpski pajkan Ne mogu da sviram
Evnusi mi pojeli instrument

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[ pwaper @ 16.09.2010. 13:44 ] @
Ma uredu to sve, nego kad exportu mejmodel iz Cinema 4D u .3ds zatim poklenem blaze i uzmem inport iz .3ds prvo mi izb icanesto u vezi texture valjda da je ne moze ucitat, i kad udje uopste mi ne prilazuje an onom desnom delu ekrana model ili ako srecom prikaze neki model on nema texturu, zatim uzmem meni Tuxtures inport textuiie rubacim texturu koju sam koristio na modelu, odem u -Object, -Pa model,-MatMaterial i u meniju texture map izaberem svoju texturu ali mi je ono uopste ne promeni na modelu desno. Kako to da popravim i dali imaju neke odredjene dimenzije modela???

labicko i vi ostali stvarno ste vise smorili, ako nemozete pomoci, nemojte ni smetati..

[Ovu poruku je menjao pwaper dana 16.09.2010. u 16:13 GMT+1]
[ MOHOK7 @ 16.09.2010. 14:02 ] @
Problem koji si naveo je ocito vezan za kvalitetu same datoteke koju si odradio kako kazes u Cinema odnosno za kvalitetu exporta u 3DS format.
Dobivali smo datoteke uradjene u tom programu i mogu reci da nemam pozitivnih iskustava Cinema je zgodan program za movie na tom podrucju moze mnogo toga da odradi ali za izradu 3D modela i razmenu je najblaze receno "pipava" :-) .
Uvek smo imali nekakvih dorada i popravki.
Ako ti nije tesko okaci tu 3DS datoteku i pripadajuce teksture da pogledamo u cemu je stvar ovako mogu samo da nabadam rado cu ti pomoci samo treba da uhvatim vremena.

Blaze inace retko pravi probleme sa importom ako ga radis direktno iz Maya odnosno MAX jer kod importa pokrece program i cita direktno skript iz njega.
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[ pwaper @ 16.09.2010. 15:21 ] @
Evo link http://www.megaupload.com/?d=NGSBZA3F 114 kb , mozes ga skinuti bez registracije na sajt.
Imas i texturu, .3ds format i .c4d...
[ MOHOK7 @ 16.09.2010. 16:12 ] @
Evo ti ga :-)

bla bla fon
Kod exporta su preimenovane texture ili si zabrljao nazive tekstura pa je Blaze trazio kod importa i odradio standardni ( crni materijal)
Nisam odradio interakcije graber i okretanja samo sam ga importirao sa pravilno nazvanim teksturama i exportirao kao 3D flash.

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[ pwaper @ 16.09.2010. 16:16 ] @
jbmt patim se 5 dana oko tog exporta u flash a ti ga odradi za 30 min.
hvala..
javicuila d sam uspeo
[ MOHOK7 @ 16.09.2010. 16:24 ] @
5 minuta :-)
10 minuta sam ti trazio gresku

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[ pwaper @ 16.09.2010. 16:25 ] @
BTW: sta si ti uradio , moze step by step objasnjenje??
[ MOHOK7 @ 17.09.2010. 09:15 ] @
1) pokusao sam da importiram 3ds datoteku direktno u holomatix program je javio gresku: unable to find texture file "sony Eri.jpg" create black 1x1 texture as replacement. Prostim recima rekao ti je da 3DS datoteka nije u redu pretpostavljam da je Cinema kod exporta preimenovao naziv tekstura ili si ti zabrljao kod tekstura u svakom slucaju tekstura koju je trazio program nije ta koju si isporucio uz 3DS datoteku.
2) preimenovao sam jpg datoteku u sony Eri.jpg i pokusao ponovo da uvezem Holomatix nije vise javljao gresku ali nije prikazivao 3D objekt "Cube" koji je imao u listi objekata, sto znaci da je sam 3D objekt bio ostecen (Cinema nije odradila cist export)
3) Uvezao sam 3DS datoteku u 3D studio MAX i pokrenuo render program je javio istu gresku kao i Holomatix: nedostaju map datoteke "sony Eri.jpg"
4) U materijal editoru 3d studio MAX sam "prepravio" materijal tako sto sam mu umesto zadane teksture sony Eri.jpg dao za teksturu Sony Ericsson K320i.jpg dakle objekt je dobio pravilne nazive i puteve za teksture.
5) importirao sam telefon u holomatix direktno iz 3D studio MAX i stvar je prosla bez problema.
6) U holomatixu odes na Meny "publish" i pritisnes button "publish" program automatski exportira objekt kao 3d flash generira odgovarajucu Html datoteku i java aplet

Cica mica gotova prica sve je gotovo za cetvrt sata

Duze za objasniti nego za uraditi.

PS
Evo podigao sam ti sve datoteke pa pogledaj u holomatix sam ubacio malo osvetljenja imas samo jedan materijal pa model nije bas najbolji ali za pocetak je vise nego dobro.
U rar sam upakovao Holomatix sa svim sitnim crevcima
[ MOHOK7 @ 17.09.2010. 09:39 ] @
Druga firma koja se tu i tamo koristi za WWW je Demicron:
http://www.demicron.com imaju program wirefusion pokusali smo i sa njima ali je "prebacivanje" 3D datoteke za web odnosno implementacija u web aplikaciju bila u tolikoj meri komplikovana da se retko tko uspeo snaci IT manager firme T Mobile mi je osobno rekao da je kompletno razvaljen jer mu treba ceo dan da ubaci u T Mobile homepage tri objekta jer koriste Wire fusion.
Sto se Papervisiona tice stvar je ista iskomplikovali su stvar.

A sto se tice mudraca i evnuha kao sto je duboko belo and company zaboravi njihove "savete" rekoh vec mnogo puta da dele mudre savete o stvarima koje sami nisu sposobni odraditi evo ti citat:
Duboko belo je rekao ( napisao ) i ostao ziv pre 4 dana i 16h:
"Modeli koji se eksportuju u flash, moraju prvo da se razlome na poligone a zatim da se eksportuju kao .dae (collada) fajlovi"

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[ deepwhite @ 17.09.2010. 10:33 ] @
Sto se tice "poznavanja materije" - Blaze ne radi u flash nego u java tehnologiji. :P
[ MOHOK7 @ 17.09.2010. 11:25 ] @
Citat:
deepwhite rekao (napisao) i ostao ziv: Sto se tice "poznavanja materije" - Blaze ne radi u flash nego u java tehnologiji. :P


Kao sto sam vec napomenuo po pitanju "mudraca i evnuha" i njihovih saveta kada spustis rar datoteku Sony Ericsson K320i.rar i otpakujes ju mozes ustanoviti sledece:
rar datoteka izmedju ostalog sadrzi "k320i light.swf" = osoba koja ima mozga barem u tragovima i samo povrsno poznaje tematiku moze sa lakocom koja zapanjuje ustanoviti da se radi o datoteci sa .swf ekstenzijom dakle o flash datoteci.
Pomenuta "k320i light.swf" je 3D flash datoteka koja sadrzi informacije o 3D modelu skupa sa teksturama.
Zbog cinjenice da se radi o 3d flash aplikaciji cela stvar funkcionira samo na racunarima koji imaju instaliran Flash player.


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[ MOHOK7 @ 17.09.2010. 11:37 ] @
Za naprednije:
Dakle iz gore navedenog se moze logicki zakljuciti da Blase radi u 3D flash tehnologiji a interakcije podrzava java aplet.
U prilog tome govori i cinjenica da je moguce nekoliko 3D flash datoteka prikazati uz pomoc samo jednog java apleta koji sadrzi informacije o regulisanju interakcija posetioca:
Primer toga mozete pogledati na adresi:
WimTec SanTec Sky

cela aplikacija prikazuje u meny "SPARE PARTS" ( engleska verzija) ukupno 14 "3D flash modela" interakcija je podrzana od jednog java apleta.

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MOHOK
[ pwaper @ 17.09.2010. 13:20 ] @
Nemam Max, ali sam problem uspeo resiti na drugi nacin, jednostavno sam shvatio da mi je u blaze-u bila ukljucena transparencija(providnost), ali mi se sada javlja novi problem kada uzmem publish nemogu da okrecem i pomeram model a vidi mi se samo jedan cosak modela u cosku(nemogu ga pomeriti na sredinu Ekrana.. kako da resim ovo, i kako da ubaci mda ga mogu okretati zoomirati i pomerati??
[ MOHOK7 @ 17.09.2010. 13:33 ] @
Kada radis publish
Chekiraj opciju include navigation action script.

PS objasnjenje: Za evnuhe i mudrace sa intelektualnim deficitom kao sto su duboko belo srpski pajkan itd.
Action Script je programerski jezik za Flash u ovom slucaju posto se radi o 3D flash datoteci neophodno je osigurati podrsku action scripta da bi se omogucila interakcija.
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MOHOK
[ MOHOK7 @ 17.09.2010. 13:36 ] @
Vidi vraga nisam primetio da je bila chekirana opcija transparent.
Moglo se i brze resiti :-) ne mozes sve videti.

Uvek covek moze nesto novo da nauci.
Hvala za tip.

MOHOK
[ pwaper @ 17.09.2010. 14:52 ] @
Evo sve sam uspeo da uradim i malo doradim model, i svidja mi se.
Samo jos kad bi mi mogao objasniti kako da napravim ispod modela da nesto pise, tipa: "Right click + drag to zoom, Left click to rotate...". tako nesto..
Normalno, mislim da to napravim tako da se tekst ne pomera a model da??
[ serbocop @ 17.09.2010. 15:48 ] @
...to ti je tesko ... n`ume to ni MOHOK ... pitaj dalje ...al nesto drugo - recimo ...jel bi hteo nesto da skeniras, a trenutno si u Banja Luci npr
[ MOHOK7 @ 18.09.2010. 08:27 ] @
Interakcije posetioca obzirom da se radi o Flash Aplikaciji mozes odraditi u Action Scriptu Imas masu primera u Blase, flash je mocan program i ima kada su interakcije u pitanju ogromne mogucnosti bezmalo neogranicene.
Dosta primera "sta se sve moze" mozes pogledati na mom sajtu:
Custom Web 3D application
Za taj deo posla moras znati ili imati nekoga ko zna programirati action script u flashu.
Rekoh ti najbolje je da se povezes sa nekim ko zna da programira "normalan 2D Flash" Action script, takvih ima tri za gros taj ti to moze odraditi dok trepnes.
Na holomatixovom sajtu imas cak gotove *.fla datoteke sa skriptovima odnosno ogromnu banku gotovih scriptova za action script.
Da te sada ovde ucim taj deo posla nema smisla :-)

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MOHOK

[ pwaper @ 18.09.2010. 09:51 ] @
Evo pronasao sam nesto na holomatix-ovom sajtu : http://www.holomatix.com/knowl...eneobject.attachsceneobject()/
http://www.holomatix.com/knowl...ples/adding-button-navigation/
ali mi nije jasno gde ja to treba da napisem???
[ deepwhite @ 19.09.2010. 20:52 ] @
MOHOK po obicaju lupas - ne zna se. Da si malo bolje pogledao "datoteke" koje si postavio u poruku video bi svasta nesto. Posto se ti razumes u flash koliko i Marko Kraljevic, opet si ispao glup u drustvu.

Iz navedenih fajlova vide se da kompletan sistem radi iskljucivo preko html-a i to iskljucivo ako imate instaliranu javu na racunaru. Ukoliko pokrenes samo swf fajl videces da se nece desiti nista. Zasto? Zato sto se razumes u fles kao gore navedeni Marko. Fles u ovom slucaju sluzi kao shell da povuce jar fajl sa java endzinom koji opet povlaci 3d model itd itd...

Iz navedenog sledi da:
1. to sto si ti postavio nije fles, jer se fles koristi kao shell za aktiviranje jave,
2. holomatrix i dalje nije fles - nego java endzin, i bez instalirane jave mozes da blejis u beli ekran.

Sledeci put kada budes prosipao pamet probaj bar da startujes te tvoje fajlove da vidis kako radi ili bar da pitas coveka koji je to uradio sta ti je to napravio. Da bi ostali ljudi videli o cemu se radi postavicu html kod u kome sve pise:

Code:

<html>
<!-- saved from url=(0025)http://www.holomatix.com/ -->
    <head>
        <title>Holomatix Blaze 3D</title>
    </head>
    <body scroll="no" BGCOLOR="#ffffff" TEXT="#000000" leftmargin="0" topmargin="0" marginwidth="0" marginheight="0">
        <table height="100%" width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td align="center" valign="middle">
            <applet archive="holomatix.jar" code="blaze3d.class" width="450" height="450" align="" MAYSCRIPT>
                <param name="movie" value="k320i light.swf">
                <param NAME="Scale" VALUE="showall">
                <param NAME="SAlign" VALUE="">
             To view this <a href="http://www.holomatix.com/">3D Flash</a> presentation, please <a href="http://www.holomatix.com/java/">install or enable Java</a>.
            </applet>
        </td></tr></table>
    </body>
</html>


Kao sto vidis u jednom od gornjih redova koda lepo pise: "To view this presentation, please install or enable Java"
Toliko o velikom magu s one strane Alpa :P
[ MOHOK7 @ 20.09.2010. 08:43 ] @
Pogledaj pazljivije sript:


<param name="movie" value="k320i light.swf"> = "k320i light. swf" je flash datoteka
<param NAME="Scale" VALUE="showall">
<param NAME="SAlign" VALUE="">
To view this <a href="http://www.holomatix.com/">3D Flash</a> presentation, please <a href="http://www.holomatix.com

1) <param name="movie" value="k320i light.swf">
2) To view this <a href="http://www.holomatix.com/">3D Flash</a> presentation, please <a href="http://www.holomatix.com

Ako cemo vec do citanja mojih skriptova lepo ti pise 3d flash presentation

Duboko belo opet si se najeo ludih krava pa bulaznis.

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MOHOK
[ MOHOK7 @ 20.09.2010. 09:04 ] @
Na kraju skripta ti takodjer kaze (da ti prevedem obzirom da ne samo da ne znas da modelujes i ne razumes se u flash nego po svoj prilici ne znas ni osnove engleskog):

Da biste videli tu 3D flash prezentaciju molimo vas instalirajte ili dozvolite (omogucite) java skript.
Dakle laicki objasnjeno:
Prezentacija je uradjena u 3D flashu i da bi ju posetilac video racunar treba da ima instaliran flash player i da podrzava javu a cela prezentacija vidljiva je u HTML browzeru.

Da ti ne objasnjavam u detalje ako do sada nisi uspeo shvatiti pretpostavljam da neces razumeti ni dublju problematiku svega.

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MOHOK

[ MOHOK7 @ 20.09.2010. 12:05 ] @
Citat:
pwaper ali mi nije jasno gde ja to treba da napisem???

Po svoj prilici ne poznajes flash programiranje u AS i zbog toga ti nije jasno gde i sta osoba koja to poznaje moze odraditi taj deo posla brzinom munje i sa lakocom koja zapanjuje.
Ako si bas zapeo onda mozes da otvoris *.Fla datoteku u Flashu i u skriptu umesto naziva objekta **************.swf ubacis naziv tvog objekta 2D flash koji sadrzi komande za interakcije ce povuci (load) tvoj 3D flash samo pretpostavljam da datoteka koju spominjes ima i animacije objekta tako da ce aplikacija traziti i taj deo price to opet mora da odradis u MAX ili Maya, ipak bih ti preporucio da se povezes sa nekim tko zna programiranje u flashu taj ce smesta razumeti kako stvar hoda.

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[ deepwhite @ 20.09.2010. 12:44 ] @
Ne pise java script nego java, jer java skript i java nisu iste stvari.
Startuj swf bez jar fajla, koji je opet java fajl, pa ces da vidis sta ces da dobijes. I na kraju pusti sve to bez instalirane jave i opet neces dobiti nista.
[ MOHOK7 @ 20.09.2010. 14:59 ] @
:-)

Duboko belo vec sam se zabrinuo za tebe da ti se nije stogod ruzno desilo jer vec par sati nisi odvalio niti jednu ortodoksnu glupost.
1) da bi aplikacija trcala potreban je java aplet koji podrzava interakcije sadrzane u 3d i u 2d flashu program ga generira automatski u delu ******.bla kada mu kazes: create HTML kreirana datoteka (java aplet) se zove Holomatix.jar
2) da bi posetilac video aplikaciju na svom racunaru treba da ima instaliran flash player i javu na svom racunaru.

Ako jos uvek nisi uspeo da shvatis mogu jos podrobnije da ti objasnim cim budem imao vremena na bacanje, vrlo si zabavan ne mogu ti opisati koliko si me puta nasmijao, samo si ponekad malo naporan sa svojim glupostima.

Razlika izmedju instalirane jave na racunaru i java apleta koji podrzava konkretnu aplikaciju je ogromna manje upuceni su redovito zbunjeni i retko otprve znaju o cemu se tu radi.

Da me ne bih masirao sa daljnjim "java otkricima" i nama "objasnjavao" sta smo mi to u stvari isprogramirali (jer eto ne znamo sta smo odradili) mogu ti navesti da ceo sistem ima jos neke java skriptove koji na primer sluze da se aplikacija bez programerskih znanja prikaze u svim html aplikacijama.
Ako odes na: Web 3D models manager pa na jedan od linkova "Manager 1", "Manager 2" "Manager 3" "Manager 4"
Videces da ta web aplikacija automatski generira java skript uz pomoc njega mozes svaku web aplikaciju pretvoriti u 3D samo kopiras generirani skript i upucas ga u html kod. Kako to funkcionira mozes pogledati ( sa slikama je mozda cak i shvatis )
Web 3D Models Manager User Manual klikni na Button "Insert 3D objekt in your homepage webshop"
Ovo cisto profilakticki unapred da nas sve odreda ne cimas kad opet "izumis toplu vodu" ako te zanima gde se jos java pojavljuje u celoj prici samo pitaj tu smo da pomognemo.



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MOHOK
[ MOHOK7 @ 20.09.2010. 15:03 ] @
PS Duboko belo
Web 3D sistemima se bavim ima tome pet godina to mi je istovremeno hobi i neka vrsta izazova (ipak to ne moze bas svako da odradi)
pa je za pretpostaviti da ponesto i znam o tome mada se uvek radujem kada naucim nesto novo kao na primer da 3ds modeli exportirani iz Cinema i importirani u Holomatix mogu da "samostalno" dobiju status 100 transparentni.

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[ MOHOK7 @ 20.09.2010. 15:48 ] @
Duboko belo
Toplo se nadam da na kraju neces poceti u celu stvar mesati i otoke ali sa tobom se nikad ne zna glupost ne mozes nikada dovoljno podceniti pa da budem siguran pogledaj molim te sledeci link:
Zemljopisna Karta otoka jave

eto

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MOHOK
[ deepwhite @ 20.09.2010. 21:13 ] @
Ja ne znam koji ja jezik govorim, neka me neko ispravi ako pisem neki africki pa me ne razume covek.
Holomatix Blaze nije Flash endzin!!!

Ti si uporan u tome da objasnis kako je onaj 3d u flash-u. Ja ti uporno tvrdim da je endzin u jar fajlu, tj. u javi. Java nije fles, da li si toliki bolid???

NE MOZES videti fajl ako nemas instaliranu javu. Znaci nije FLES nego JAVA endzin. Ne mogu da verujem da covek ne zna sta radi.
[ deepwhite @ 20.09.2010. 21:20 ] @
Citat:
MOHOK7: Na kraju skripta ti takodjer kaze (da ti prevedem obzirom da ne samo da ne znas da modelujes i ne razumes se u flash nego po svoj prilici ne znas ni osnove engleskog):

Da biste videli tu 3D flash prezentaciju molimo vas instalirajte ili dozvolite (omogucite) java skript.
Dakle laicki objasnjeno:
Prezentacija je uradjena u 3D flashu i da bi ju posetilac video racunar treba da ima instaliran flash player i da podrzava javu a cela prezentacija vidljiva je u HTML browzeru.

Da ti ne objasnjavam u detalje ako do sada nisi uspeo shvatiti pretpostavljam da neces razumeti ni dublju problematiku svega.

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MOHOK


Lepo si napisao da se koristi JAVA SKRIPT, sto nije tacno - nego se koristi cista JAVA. To je razlicito, pitaj ljude koji su ti to radili.
[ SreckoMicic @ 20.09.2010. 21:49 ] @
Deep je dobro rekao, Holomatix ne generise samo samo flash vec koristi i Javu. Cak stavise ceo 3D engine je java ne flash, flash je u ovom slucaj samo wrapper.
Jedina mana je sto generise samo AS2 kod, jel postoji mogucnos da generise AS3 kod?
[ MOHOK7 @ 21.09.2010. 22:59 ] @
Citat:
deepwhite: Lepo si napisao da se koristi JAVA SKRIPT, sto nije tacno - nego se koristi cista JAVA. To je razlicito, pitaj ljude koji su ti to radili.

Evo duboio belo pitao sam se sta sam to uradio odnosno sta to radim vec godinama i odgovorio sam si.
pa da ti prenesem odgovor koji sam dao sam sebi kako si ti to pozeleo:
1) Holomatix otvara i direknto interpretira 3d modele iz nekoliko programa i to: max maya ligtwave i importira 3DS format.
2) publicira te 3d modele u 3d flash formatu ( *.swf )
3) program uz to generira java aplet koji podrzava interakcije defolt naziv = holomatix.jar
4) prikaz 3d flash objekta moguc je u html brovzeru na racunaru koji ima instaliranu javu i flash player.


Javio se jos jedan evnuh hajde srecko daj i ti nama koji to vec godinama radimo nekoliko mudrih saveta o stvarima o kojima pojma nemas i koje nisi sposoban da odradis.

MOHOK
[ MOHOK7 @ 21.09.2010. 23:04 ] @
Java skript takodjer koristimo da bi olaksali implementaciju prikaza u web aplikacijama u tu svrhu je programiran nas web 3d models manager to sam ti vec prethodno uzalud pokusao objasniti on automatski generira java skript uz pomoc kojega se moze svaka web aplikacija za dve minute preturiti u 3d web aplikaciju.
duboko belo opet mesas babe i zabe.
MOHOK
[ MOHOK7 @ 21.09.2010. 23:05 ] @
Java otoke jos uvek ne koristimo :-)
[ deepwhite @ 23.09.2010. 23:38 ] @
Mohok covek nije pitao kako da ubaci modele u javu nego u fles.
[ MOHOK7 @ 27.09.2010. 08:22 ] @
Citat:
deepwhite: Mohok covek nije pitao kako da ubaci modele u javu nego u fles.

Duboko belo
1) Holomatix otvara i direknto interpretira 3d modele iz nekoliko programa i to: max maya ligtwave i importira 3DS format.
2) publicira te 3d modele u 3d flash formatu ( *.swf )

Ti po svoj prilici osim sto ne umes da radis 3d ne umes ni da citas, odgovorio sam mu u prethodnom postu ???

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MOHOK
[ deepwhite @ 28.09.2010. 20:43 ] @
Ti si dileja
[ SreckoMicic @ 28.09.2010. 21:44 ] @
3D engine koji koristi Holomatix player je pisan u Javi, developeri tvrde da je Java VM brzi od AS VM i zato ne nameravaju da ga portuju u AS (tj Flash).
No, ovo su onome koje postavio temu sve nebitne cinjenice u svakom slucaju....